Bonemancer questions

Hi.
1. Is

Confuse good option for bonemancer?
2. How to handle with no-life regeneration for this character? Potions only?
3. Generaly - is it a good character? Got 92 lvl, over 7000 dps on

Bone Spear, but cleaning speed is terrible. P1 - ok, but online party... and this corps explosion nerf with more number of players, it's weird.

1. No, decrep or maybe amp damage
2. Use a

Prayer merc with Insight, Cure

Helm and coh, keeps the mana up too
3. On p1 sure, but if you’re playing with a group, nah, not much value added

I have a level 93 bonemancer too and honestly it's more of a fun build than very powerful. I enjoy "trying" to use bonewall in a helpful way lol. I use a "White"

Wand and also added 1 point in skeletons, which actually help a lot as a diversion without any significant skill investment. I got

Decrepify from my

Wand, but if I didn't have it I'd probably use

Amplify Damage when in a party.

Confuse sounds like buckets of fun though, please let me know if you try it out.

Idk about the regeneration, I guess either the merc or just use pots. It's never been an issue for me.

1- Agreed, Decrep and Amp are the only curses uses by most Bone necros.

2- Enigma also gives 15 life per kill - enough for most stuff, you're hardly getting hit with

Bone Armor.

3- Bone necro's strengths are :
- Can farm anywhere (was the case already before sunders, now most classes can do the same) ;
- Strong in PvP.
- And it's super safe, so HC friendly

- But clearly in p8, the overall DPS is lower than what other staple builds can do. In p1 / p3 it works all fine.

As for

Confuse, the skill point investment is rarely worth it, but it's definitely fun. I have it with a Delirium Act 1 merc on my assassin : an absolute wonder of crowd control.

Maldoror wrote: 2 months ago

I have a level 93 bonemancer too and honestly it's more of a fun build than very powerful. I enjoy "trying" to use bonewall in a helpful way lol. I use a "White"

Wand and also added 1 point in skeletons, which actually help a lot as a diversion without any significant skill investment. I got

Decrepify from my

Wand, but if I didn't have it I'd probably use

Amplify Damage when in a party.

Confuse sounds like buckets of fun though, please let me know if you try it out.

Idk about the regeneration, I guess either the merc or just use pots. It's never been an issue for me.

Tesla cast it quite often beacause of the dual Dream. It helps a lot on P8, ideally when it's getting hot. Mobs fight each other, U can tele to most dangerous one and eliminate one by one. Great crowd control.

Bone necros are good to great at what they do (which can be just about anything rly..though ubers are admittedly not the most fun thing for them), despite not quite reaching the insane farming speeds of say a stacked sorc or Mosaic sin.

The thing about Bone necros though is that you actually have to know what you're doing, why

Bone Spear is in fact not always the best choice and how to play them right. Positioning is rather important to really maximize their potential.
That's actually a large part of why a Bone necro has been my #1 pick since the olden days I suppose...there's more than 1 button and skill actually matters quite a bit, unlike most top farming builds.

Confuse is a cute gimmick but nothing really worth building anything around. Even more so because as a real Bone necro, you will have exactly 1 spare skill point at lvl 99. Well, or you get lvl 2

Bone Armor but I'm too OCD for that.

Dim Vision is a solid, fun and situationally (early game) actually quite useful choice for that pt.

Confuse...would eat into "real" skills by a point as it'd take one more to reach so that's just not an option imo.

Sufficient life regen, as others pointed out, can easily be obtained via a

Prayer/Insight merc (Cure optional). Though honestly, Bone necros don't take damage. Or at least hardly any (I suppose the occasional random projectile might end up actually hitting you every so often). Since you auto-heal in every new game, odds are, you won't even need any regen anyways and never run low (assuming later stages with some gear and practice and whatnot).


Disclaimer:
When I say Bone necro, I actually mean Bone necro...none of that CE spam nonsense.

Necrarch wrote: 2 months ago

As for

Confuse, the skill point investment is rarely worth it, but it's definitely fun. I have it with a Delirium Act 1 merc on my assassin : an absolute wonder of crowd control.

Oh yeah, definitely get it from a

Wand so you can skip the other skills to reach it.

Wait, I never thought of Delirium on act 1 merc. What happens if she's holding Faith? Does

Fanaticism still apply if she transforms? Edit: Just checked, and it seems she does! Oh my, something new to try out.

Maldoror wrote: 2 months ago

Necrarch wrote: 2 months ago

As for

Confuse, the skill point investment is rarely worth it, but it's definitely fun. I have it with a Delirium Act 1 merc on my assassin : an absolute wonder of crowd control.

Oh yeah, definitely get it from a

Wand so you can skip the other skills to reach it.

Wait, I never thought of Delirium on act 1 merc. What happens if she's holding Faith? Does

Fanaticism still apply if she transforms? Edit: Just checked, and it seems she does! Oh my, something new to try out.

Check this : forums/manic-pixie-dreamgirl-an-alterna ... 65231.html

I use mine with Ice.

Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago

Bone necros are good to great at what they do (which can be just about anything rly..though ubers are admittedly not the most fun thing for them), despite not quite reaching the insane farming speeds of say a stacked sorc or Mosaic sin.

The thing about Bone necros though is that you actually have to know what you're doing, why

Bone Spear is in fact not always the best choice and how to play them right. Positioning is rather important to really maximize their potential.
That's actually a large part of why a Bone necro has been my #1 pick since the olden days I suppose...there's more than 1 button and skill actually matters quite a bit, unlike most top farming builds.

Confuse is a cute gimmick but nothing really worth building anything around. Even more so because as a real Bone necro, you will have exactly 1 spare skill point at lvl 99. Well, or you get lvl 2

Bone Armor but I'm too OCD for that.

Dim Vision is a solid, fun and situationally (early game) actually quite useful choice for that pt.

Confuse...would eat into "real" skills by a point as it'd take one more to reach so that's just not an option imo.

Sufficient life regen, as others pointed out, can easily be obtained via a

Prayer/Insight merc (Cure optional). Though honestly, Bone necros don't take damage. Or at least hardly any (I suppose the occasional random projectile might end up actually hitting you every so often). Since you auto-heal in every new game, odds are, you won't even need any regen anyways and never run low (assuming later stages with some gear and practice and whatnot).


Disclaimer:
When I say Bone necro, I actually mean Bone necro...none of that CE spam nonsense.

Schnorki, what are your 109 fixed points : I assume 20 BS/BS/BP/BW/

Teeth +1 CE +1 BA, so 102 in P&B.
4 in curses to reach Decrep (or only Amp?). Then... what ?

Iron Golem ? Clay only ?

No need for some aura stick

Iron Golem on a (non-CE) Bone necro.

And watching bosses break themselves and simply shut down from clay + decrep is just too fun to not occasionally do merely for the fun of it.

OK, so

Clay Golem,

Golem Mastery,

Summon Resist for the Summoning Tree to reach the 109. Clear !